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Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:00 pm
by Grimtale
Dang I love all this mystery, hype and swirl...
The worlds most expensive records typically are surrounded with such...
Thanks guys.
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:46 pm
by billdore
Cool. Thanks for the info Sean. That helps clarify the guesswork tossed around. :D

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:52 pm
by higherlimits
I won't argue that my thoughts are 100% speculation and guess-work but I still think that Ben got his copy from the same batch that Sean had gotten his copy from. And based on the amount of secrecy etc. surrounding the 'release' of all that stuff that came out from the same source I can't fathom them being released in a 100% legal way..

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:57 pm
by Grimtale
higherlimits wrote:I won't argue that my thoughts are 100% speculation and guess-work but I still think that Ben got his copy from the same batch that Sean had gotten his copy from. And based on the amount of secrecy etc. surrounding the 'release' of all that stuff that came out from the same source I can't fathom them being released in a 100% legal way..
Incorrect
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:13 pm
by higherlimits
How can my own thoughts/opinions be incorrect?

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:31 pm
by Grimtale
higherlimits wrote:How can my own thoughts/opinions be incorrect?
:-)

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:08 pm
by higherlimits
Well, I'm stumped as to where Ben got his copy then... I maintain my opinion about the legality of the other stuff though..

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:30 pm
by Grimtale
higherlimits wrote:Well, I'm stumped as to where Ben got his copy then...
Is that really a mystery that has to be solved nor does it really matter?

The real mystery we should be chasing is where are there more to be found...
That's what collectors do isn't it... hunt more treasures...
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:44 pm
by flattop2001
Someone who should know explained to me a while back that TP, promos etc form part of the R&D process and costs are claimed back for tax purposes, hence the "not for resale, remain property of the record company blah blah...." language is a legal requirement.

I dont think an individual selling the promo or TP and not giving funds to the original claimant of the tax benefit would be illeagal as such, and I would not go so far as to say these were stolen from XL without any proof. Any tax experts want to jump in, I may have been fed a line of crap....

I have been offered these on two occasions, but TP are just not my thing, if it had had a finished label on it I would have been on it in a flash.

Grim;
Does it have a matrix number on the run out?

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:50 pm
by Grimtale
flattop2001 wrote: Grim;
Does it have a matrix number on the run out?
Yep, one on both sides...
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:59 pm
by higherlimits
flattop2001 wrote:Someone who should know explained to me a while back that TP, promos etc form part of the R&D process and costs are claimed back for tax purposes, hence the "not for resale, remain property of the record company blah blah...." language is a legal requirement.

I dont think an individual selling the promo or TP and not giving funds to the original claimant of the tax benefit would be illeagal as such, and I would not go so far as to say these were stolen from XL without any proof. Any tax experts want to jump in, I may have been fed a line of crap....

I have been offered these on two occasions, but TP are just not my thing, if it had had a finished label on it I would have been on it in a flash.

Grim;
Does it have a matrix number on the run out?
It wouldn't be illegal to sell the items, what would be illegal would be an employee of XL stealing the records off the shelf at XL and then selling them for his own gain. He'd have stolen them from XL. The tax doesn't come into it.

Again, this is just what was widely speculated to have been what happened back when all these things were unearthed.

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:03 pm
by Grimtale
higherlimits wrote:
flattop2001 wrote:Someone who should know explained to me a while back that TP, promos etc form part of the R&D process and costs are claimed back for tax purposes, hence the "not for resale, remain property of the record company blah blah...." language is a legal requirement.

I dont think an individual selling the promo or TP and not giving funds to the original claimant of the tax benefit would be illeagal as such, and I would not go so far as to say these were stolen from XL without any proof. Any tax experts want to jump in, I may have been fed a line of crap....

I have been offered these on two occasions, but TP are just not my thing, if it had had a finished label on it I would have been on it in a flash.

Grim;
Does it have a matrix number on the run out?
It wouldn't be illegal to sell the items, what would be illegal would be an employee of XL stealing the records off the shelf at XL and then selling them for his own gain. He'd have stolen them from XL. The tax doesn't come into it.

Again, this is just what was widely speculated to have been what happened back when all these things were unearthed.
That's like asking a dealer if he paid taxes on the weed he sold last year...
Or all those flippers if they reported their income from the tri-colors they flipped...
LOL
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:06 pm
by higherlimits
Grimtale wrote:
higherlimits wrote:
flattop2001 wrote:Someone who should know explained to me a while back that TP, promos etc form part of the R&D process and costs are claimed back for tax purposes, hence the "not for resale, remain property of the record company blah blah...." language is a legal requirement.

I dont think an individual selling the promo or TP and not giving funds to the original claimant of the tax benefit would be illeagal as such, and I would not go so far as to say these were stolen from XL without any proof. Any tax experts want to jump in, I may have been fed a line of crap....

I have been offered these on two occasions, but TP are just not my thing, if it had had a finished label on it I would have been on it in a flash.

Grim;
Does it have a matrix number on the run out?
It wouldn't be illegal to sell the items, what would be illegal would be an employee of XL stealing the records off the shelf at XL and then selling them for his own gain. He'd have stolen them from XL. The tax doesn't come into it.

Again, this is just what was widely speculated to have been what happened back when all these things were unearthed.
That's like asking a dealer if he paid taxes on the weed he sold last year...
Or all those flippers if they reported their income from the tri-colors they flipped...
LOL
Grim
You'll get hit FAR harder for not paying taxes than for selling weed.

I'm an accountant and I can confirm that Prostitutes do pay taxes..

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:09 pm
by Grimtale
higherlimits wrote:You'll get hit FAR harder for not paying taxes than for selling weed.

I'm an accountant and I can confirm that Prostitutes do pay taxes..
Now Ian, you know... you can't be a pimp and a prostitute too...
Grim

Re: Single: 10" Ball & Biscuit

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:11 pm
by flattop2001
Not practical I agree, but that is the issue and why Paypal is introducing a process this year. It will not stop at $20k or with Paypal.